ArmsCollectors.com menu
Learn
- Basics
Dates
in Firearm History
Frequently Asked Questions
Frequently
Asked Questions
(From the Cody Firearms Museum)
Links to Forums
At Other Sites
Evaluating
History of a Gun
Article
by Jim Supica
Learn
- Advanced
Factory
Letters
And Military Records
Museums With Arms Exhibits
Arms
Collector Groups
Other
Useful Links
Book Recommendations
Book
Reviews
Specialties
U.S. Military Arms
Factory
Letters
And Military Records
Krag
Bolt Removal
Which
U.S. Bayonet?
M1917 Enfield Parts
Markings
(from M1903.com)
M1917
Enfield Sling Instructions
M1
Garand Disassembly and Parts
(from CivilianMarksmanship.com)
Cartridges
and Ammunition
International
Ammunition Association
CartridgedCollectors.org
European
Cartridge Research Association
http://www.ecra-net.de/
Cartridge-Corner.com
(headstamp info)
Edged
Weapons
Society
of American Bayonet Collectors
BayonetCollectors.org
Sword
Collector Homepage
Internet
Sword Collectors
Recommended
Dealers
OldGuns.net
Manufacture
Dates
Pre-1899
Antique
Serial Numbers
(From Empire Arms. Use at own risk.)
Marlin
Mauser
Pistol C-96
(Broomhandle)
Remington
Ruger
(& Factory Letters)
U.S.
Military
Winchester
Markings
Serial
Numbers
(foreign language)
Gun
Marks
House
Brands
U.S.
Inspectors
WWII
German
Codes & Markings
Mosin
Nagant Markings
Warnings
Spotting
Fake Firearms
Antiques Roadshow Advice
Fakes
Article by Jim Supica
The
Anti-Gun
Crowd Wants
YOUR COLLECTOR
GUNS TOO!
Article by David Kopel
Collection
Care & Records
(Preservation tips, inventory software, insurance)
Arms / Gun Show Listings
NRA
List
Man
At Arms List
Shotgun
News List
Crossroads
List
Living
History
(Info coming soon)
Mannequins
for Uniform Display
Make them yourself!
|
Three
Of A Kind - All Different!
A
Look At 3 "Peace Flasks"
|
Following are "Peace flasks" dated 1844, 1847 & 1857:
|
|
|
|
Although all are "Peace flasks". They are not alike. On the
1844 Ames made flask the eagle looks to the left towards the
olive branch and the clasped hands are within a circular sunburst
with 13 points surrounded by a circle of 26 stars. The trophy
base decoration consists of a small US within a canted shield,
4 crossed flags, cannons, swords, muskets, bugles, pikes and
a single halberd. The carrying "rings" are triangular in shape
and the flask is 6-5/8" from the bottom of the collar to the
base.
On the 1847 & 1857 Batty manufactured flasks, the eagle
looks to the right towards the arrows. The clasped hands are
within a separate panel surrounded by an oval sunburst of 12
points surrounded by an oval of 20 stars. The trophy panel consists
of only 2 draped flags and a different arrangement of cannons,
muskets, bugles and swords. Additionally, on the left, a pistol
butt can be seen upward of the halberd and a knife? has been
added between the sword and the flag drape. Protruding from
the upper right point of the shield is something else. It may
be a cannon barrel with a single star to the rear of the first
reinforce and 2 stars at the front of the barrel possibly signifying
the cannon firing. The shield is straight up and contains a
large US. Both flasks measure 7-5/16" from collar bottom to
the flask base.
The 1847 & 1857 differ from one another in over all spout
design plus the spout on the 1847 is 1/16" longer and the carrying
rings on the 1847 are triangularly formed while the 1857's are
circular in shape. Both carry different inspectors markings.
|
|
On the
left is the spout of the 1857 dated flask. The 1847 spout
is on the right.
|
|
|
|
1844
carrying "ring"
|
1847
carrying "ring"
|
1857
carrying ring
|
|
|
|
The
1844 Ames "Peace Flask"
|
|
|
Note: The collar screws in this flask have been replaced with
rivets and the spout may have been replaced many years ago.
The spout is 1-7/16" long. The collar is 15/16" and the measurement
from the bottom of the collar to the base of the flask is 6-5/8".
|
|
|
|
1844
Eagle
|
1844
Clasped Hands
|
1844
Trophy Detail
|
|
|
This flask is marked on the top of the spout base "N. P. AMES".
About ½" to the left of the Ames marking is "J. H." (John
Hawkins or Joseph Harnis). The date "1844" is stamped on the
spout base 180 degrees from or straight across from "N. P. AMES".
|
|
|
|
|
The
1847 Batty "Peace Flask"
|
|
The spout is 1-7/16" long. The collar is 15/16" and the measurement
from the bottom of the collar to the base of the flask is 7-5/16". |
|
 |
 |
| 1847
Eagle
|
1847
Clasped Hands
|
1847
Trophy Detail
|
|
|
This flask is marked on the top of the spout base "BATTY". The
date "1847" is stamped on the spout base 180 degrees from or
straight across from "BATTY". Directly under "1847" on the outer
rim, are the initials "C B" (Charles Boarman). There is a large
number "16" stamped just above the eagle's head on one side
of the flask only.
|
|
|
|
| Following
is a shot looking into the flask mouth and a shot from the bottom
of the flask base with the spout open:
|
|
|
|
|
|
The
1857 Batty "Peace Flask"
|
|
The spout is 1¾" long. The collar is 15/16" and the measurement
from the bottom of the collar to the base of the flask is 7-5/16". |
|
 |
 |
| 1857
Eagle
|
1857
Clasped Hands
|
1857
Trophy Detail
|
|
|
This flask is marked on the top of the spout base "BATTY". The
date "1857" is stamped on the spout base 180 degrees from or
straight across from "BATTY". Directly above "1857" on the outer
rim, are the initials "J .H." (J. Hawkins or J. Harnis). Stamped
under "BATTY" on the outer rim is " SPRINGFIELD MASS." and under
"LD MA" is "R.H.K.W." (R. H. K. Whiteley).
|
 |
|
|
Following is a shot looking into the flask mouth and a shot
from the bottom of the flask base with the spout closed:
|
|
|
 |
|
For information purposes, the original carrying strap loops
out at 25" and is ¾" wide. Following are pictures
of the strap
hook arrangement.
|
 |
|
|
Here is a picture of the reverse side of the three flasks:
|
|
|
|
|
I hope everyone learned something from this. I certainly did
and that is to make these presentations less detailed so I can
get more sleep!
Dave
Radcliffe
|
|